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Death comes to Pemberley - part 3 
29th-Dec-2013 01:25 am
Oh my God, what a soap-soup that was and how convenient a solution!

Best moment: OMG!!!  Lady Catherine de Bough played by Penelope Keith! What a load of fun that was!
"I told him that he needed to decide whether to live or die and then get on with it. With as little possible inconvenience to others...." Ha!!!
I want a 'heated debate' between her and Violet Crawley from Downton Abbey! Slaughter by sharp tongues and even sharper wits! :D

I was amazed by Trevor Eve and Tom Ward. I loved the fight that the last one had with Darcy in the coach and up the stairs. Please, dear Lord Roxton, settle down, dear chap, you were fighting a losing war over Georgiana anyway.

The entire drama in the last minutes of Wickham's hanging was a bad joke. All very exciting, ofcourse, but is there ANYONE who actually expected him to hang?

Lydia.... wow... talk about living in a state of delusion. I did momentarily feel for her. Luckily it was quickly over.

There was a love scene between Darcy and Lizzie. Sweet. Unnecessary, but sweet. Unless it was supposed to have the end-result, but that would be too fast for her to know about.

And .. ah... Mr Darcy. His emotions all over the place... that's how I like my Matthew. Darcy's anger, his apology towards Georgiana and Lizzie, his care for Wickham, his pride at the trial... Love that man....

But what a soap!
29th-Dec-2013 08:45 am (UTC)
Hah, yes! Let's blame PD James for that plot twist. All very convenient, but somehow also "authentic" in style.

And finally some more Matthew acting! I also loved the coach/stair argument. The love scene was almost awkward, a little unnecessary, bit still well-made. I suppose there was meant to be a bit of a time gap between the very end, when Lizzie announced her pregnancy, and that scene. Possibly the letter to Jane was meant to let the audience understand this? </p>

On the whole I expected better acting from Matthew. He seemed to be fumbling a lot, although part of that could have been Darcy's character, which I'm not familiar with. He should learn to close his mouth more or maybe his fake teeth are too big...? ;-)

On the whole, Edwin Drood wins my votes for consistency and acting, but DCTP for pretty locations, nice clothes and Anna Maxwell Martin.

29th-Dec-2013 01:04 pm (UTC)
*** I suppose there was meant to be a bit of a time gap between the very end, when Lizzie announced her pregnancy, and that scene. Possibly the letter to Jane was meant to let the audience understand this? ****

That is also what I thought at first but then there was Georgina and that guy. I don't think that he would have waited that long, or the moment with Wickham/Lydia, that seemed very shortly after the trial as well. Confusing.

Darcy is a very strict, arrogant, proud man who doesn't handle it well to be contradicted or if things don't go 'as they should/always were done', so I think that Matthew captured well the man who keeps having to make all sorts of adjustments to one lie/reveal after another. It must have been hard for him to find out that those he trusted shouldn't have been trusted and that those who' opinions he didn't value turned out to be right.

But, the storylines.... That finale with Lizzie yelling to stop the hanging etc... SO over the top! Dignity, people, dignity.... and don't 'inconvenience' others, not even when dying.
30th-Dec-2013 08:26 pm (UTC)
I was totally lost on all this; didn't watch P&P and so knew nothing of each character's background...and the flitting from past to present helped matters not one bit. Though written by different authors, it's definitely a sequel and doesn't stand alone (well that's my opinion anyway).

Darcy. Hmm! Got to love Matthew in it but he didn't have much of a role: the Colonel was far more interesting for me; Lizzie was boring; Lydia was OTT; Jane was...well what was she? IDK! Maybe I'm just not in to period romance stories...or period dramas for that matter - cannot be doing Downton AT ALL, but this was/is not something that I can see myself watching repeatedly (though I won't be deleting it off my HDD player...just yet!)
31st-Dec-2013 01:53 pm (UTC)
no, it wasn't a stand-alone and you won't understand the signifance of certain people/betrayals/events if you don't have the bigger picture of what happened in P&P.

To me the most interesting person was the one played by Trevor Eve and not so much Darcy, though Matthew did a good job and it was interesting to see him play a character like that. But I prefer the more multi-layered characters.

30th-Dec-2013 08:44 pm (UTC)
Just finished watched it and I totally loved it! I knew it because I love period tv comfort shows and I love Jane Austen. And I love how in the English shows all the actors are so incredible good. How they do that? So, I had a great time watching it.

I loved the romance between Georgina and the attorney and between Darcy and Lizzie. Anna Maxwell is amazing. I don't understand why people didn't like her, She is perfect for her role. Matthew reminded me all the time of Kevin, his fight in the stairs with the colonel was like the one with Scotty for baby Daniel. And how he cries too. But that's okay. I think Kevin is very similar to Darcy too. A lot of roles in television are based in Darcy as a man stereotype.

Loved the landscapes and the photography too. Very good BBC production as always.
31st-Dec-2013 01:55 pm (UTC)
I think that indeed all actors did a good job. Yes, I think that I saw a lot of Kevin, but on Twitter we were wondering if it is perhaps not simply Matthew we see in those scenes, but because we've seen Kevin so long, we recognize Matthew's own mannerisms in Kevin and now in Darcy.

In general, I love BBC productions.
2nd-Jan-2014 03:38 am (UTC)
Hmmm, looking at the other comments and I thought this was curious. I never once was reminded of Kevin. I mean he looks like Matthew, because he IS Matthew, but Kevin didn't show up for me. There WAS a scene where he is overcome with emotion, but an emotional Kevin (with the exception of the affair) was always over the top - almost comedic. Darcys emotions seemed much more realistic. Kevin also is a little self centered, commanding attention and Darcy downplayed that a bit. I didn't see mannerisms, Kevin for me is sort of sexy. All bedroom eyes, licking lips, touchy feely.... That's no Darcy. Anyway, just thought I'd jump in the convo....
2nd-Jan-2014 03:19 am (UTC)
Ok, I just finished the series and what can I say? I LOVED it! Not unusual since my tastes seem to run opposite from mainstream so it seems. I adore Downton Abbey and this had its similarities (in the setting at any rate) Though it was more exciting than Downton. Downton can be so mundane, long scenes polishing the silver and fluffing beds and all. In this, they eliminated all the unnecessary and got down to the business at hand. Matthew's acting for me, was the best its ever been. At first I was unhappy that the story didn't revolve around him. I wanted MORE and probably still do, yet in retrospect not since Luke M. has there been that perfect balance in his acting where he doesn't overact or steal the scene, making the others seem bland in comparison. In this movie the chemistry was effortless in that it was an acting ensemble where one didn't steal the show (too much) and outshine all the others. When that happens the show comes off as choppy and unbalanced. I liked the love scene with Lizzie and I, unlike others, thought it WAS necessary. Extremely necessary. Up until that point you wonder if there's trouble in paradise, if he is unhappy with the union, if HE in fact was having the affair and lets face it, ALL other Darcy's while somber and slightly arrogant were a bit romantic. If these 3 eps would have gone by with no taking off of the ascot I would have been extremely disappointed and I didn't want our lovely Matth to be the only Darcy that wasn't a romantic leading man. I also enjoyed his range through the series. He was lovely with his son, he showed anger, laughter, romance, incredulity, displeasure and he performed them all flawlessly so far as I was concerned. He looked GORGEOUS, and then there was the time or three that he mounted a horse. I will proudly use my 'I heart Mr Darcy' bag. He did not disappoint. The actress playing Lizzie did a phenomenal job as well. I didn't expect her to be quite so plain, but she grew on me and I think she captured the spirit of the character well.
Thanks for all the reviews,
3rd-Jan-2014 01:04 pm (UTC)
I agree about the loved scene. I think it was really necessary to show that they are okay. It's what we always wanted for Kevin/Scotty after the cheating and sadly we never saw it. It was very well done too, I watched it various times :) It's great to see Darcy and Elizabeth making love after the polemic about the kiss in the previous shows.
4th-Jan-2014 01:02 am (UTC)
What was the issue with the kiss?? I don't remember anything. I did watch the Keira K. version some years back, but I dont recall all the details. This week I decided to watch P&P BBC edition, since it was handy to watch (on Netflix) and OMG that is horrible acting. Mr Darcy is awful, walking around with a stick up his...well you get the point. And Elizabeth is rather superficial and silly. Not at all the well read, intelligent, mind of her own girl I thought she was meant to be. If ANYONE thought that this new cast didn't deliver their acting best, just watch the old one to be reminded of MR's acting genious. Anyway, I digress. What did I want to know? Oh....what was the problem with the kiss??

Edited at 2014-01-04 01:04 am (UTC)
4th-Jan-2014 02:08 pm (UTC)
About the kiss, there is one theory that defends that since Austen didn't write about physical affection, the film adaptations shouldn't have it. In the movie with Kiera, they filmed two versions of the end (one with kiss and another without). Personally, I'm always for breaking boundaries, so a sex scene with Austen characters is a great thing to see IMO :)

I'm a fanatical of Austen and I have seen even the most old adaptations from BBC and I agree about that the Keira adaptation of Pride & Prejudice is the worst of all. Keira seems stupid and she doesn't look at all like an Austen heroine, and Mr Darcy is more like a timid nerd than Mr Darcy. For a Hollywood adaptation of Austen, are much better Emma with Paltrow and Sense &Sensibility with Emma Thompson and Kate Winslew. The three of them are much better Austen characters than Keira K.

About Mr Darcy, l still think that Colin Firth is the best. Matthew was great but I think Colin is more like the Mr Darcy of the book. Also, there were some parts, like when Darcy cried with Georgiana that I felt that Matthew mixed Kevin with Darcy. And during all the three parts it reminded me all the time of Kevin. For me it's impossible that Mr Darcy would ever cry. But I think he played well an older, sweeter and softer version of Darcy and he is better than Mattew Macfadyen that for me is the worst Darcy.

Edited at 2014-01-04 02:10 pm (UTC)
4th-Jan-2014 09:06 pm (UTC)
I didn't mind Kiera, though yes she seemed somewhat miscast. The Darcy that I found so objectionable was an actor named David Rintoul cast in the BBC miniseries a long while back. Not entirely unattractive, not sure if he looked 'the part' or not since I've never read the books, but boy was he uppity to the point it was distasteful. Macfadyen I did see, and yes he comes off quiet to the point of timidity which seems wrong for the character yet Rintoul takes the cake for the worst Darcy ever (for me). I've never seen Colin, but I reckon if they erected a statue in his honor, he couldn't have been all bad....

Oh and as for Kevin, I didn't see him at all. (but I may have mentioned that in some other post) Yes Darcy teared up, but I doubt that was an actors creative choice. The script MUST have called for it - no fault of poor Kevin's. Though I'll give you one thing, I don't see Matthew (the actor) as a very convincing crier. Though Kevin enjoyed the emotion a little often than most, Matthew must be an exceptionally happy person since I don't think he quite knows how to tap into that emotion. It never quite feels genuine, as if he's never really experienced that type of anguish in reality. He definitely should stay away from crying scenes. They rather don't suit him.

Edited at 2014-01-04 09:23 pm (UTC)
4th-Jan-2014 10:52 pm (UTC)
Haven't seen this version with David Rintoul, but for what you say, is better that I not see it :) You have to read the book! I read it when I was a teen and I felt in love with Austen books, after that I started reading all the books and watching the movies :) Colin Firth is exactly like the Darcy in the book. I recommend you to watch thus BBC adaptation, It's really amazing. All the cast is great and the script is very true to Austen.

IMHO Matthew cries very well, maybe he exaggerates it a little? but the Darcy from the book, would never, never cry. I doubt it was in the script, maybe it was a decision from the director? Who knows? About seeing Kevin in the show, we will have to agree to disagree :)
4th-Jan-2014 11:38 pm (UTC)
As said, for me, Rintoul portrayed Darcy the best so far, but I have to say that I saw the show before I read the book, so I went into the book with an image of THAT Mr Darcy on my mind.

I always found the version with Firth to be too 'casual', with Rintoul's performance in mind, and for lack of a better word. It lacked that stiff British-ness that I wanted to see in Darcy. what I missed in Firth's Darcy was that arrogance, that stiffness and that absolute belief in himself and his superiority over other people, which (IMO) Darcy was raised to believe in.

I think that what was the biggest killer-moment for me was the infamous 'pond' scene. It just felt completely 'off' to me somehow. I can't remember if it was in the book, haven't read it in years, but it just didn't feel right to me, I remember watching it and rolling my eyes, even though Mr Firth looked pretty good. :)

Never saw the Knightley version, I don't like her much as an actress. I'm not against her, but she never seems to do anything to me either.

I've rewatched bits and pieces of DCTP and I still like Matthew's work in it. I think he found a balance between the stiffness in Rintoul and the more casual approach by Firth and created a Darcy that was still half very self-confident and at the same time rather vulnerable.

Edited at 2014-01-04 11:39 pm (UTC)
5th-Jan-2014 12:05 pm (UTC)
Long time without reading the book, but for what I remember, Darcy is not really so arrogant. That is how Elizabeth saw him at first, but she was wrong about him. Austen compares two types of men: Darcy is the serious and reserved one, with a great deal of responsibility and who doesn't like to be center of attention.Mr. Wickham is his exactly opposite, charming, funny and very friendly but inside he is not a good man. That is what Austen want to say, that appearances are not true and that Darcy is not charming or extrovert but he is a much better man than Wickham. For this, I think Colin and Matthew have played this part very well, showing that Darcy can seem too serious or arrogant but that he is not really like that.
If Rintoul have played Darcy as really arrogant, I have to agree with ihrtmr that that would have been very bad acting IMO.
About the pond scene it was not in the book. In the book Elizabeth is in Pemberley visiting the house with relatives like if she was in a museum and when she is in the gardens she casually met Darcy. I don't think this scene is so great either, I was disappointed when I saw it after all the buzz, I thought that Darcy will be shirtless :) That would have been better.

Edited at 2014-01-05 12:07 pm (UTC)
5th-Jan-2014 06:16 am (UTC)
Well, M67 seems to appreciate Rintoul. He certainly DOES have that stiff-britishness, arrogance etc. that Marea describes. While I found it offputting, it very well may be the very description of the man in print. You should watch it. And I'll watch the Colin version and one of these days I'll read the book..... Then we'll have something to compare them all to. Yes agree to disagree. Its not that I disagree that YOU related the character to Kevin. I just didn't; and I'm relieved that I hadn't. I dont think I could have enjoyed it as much otherwise....
5th-Jan-2014 12:08 pm (UTC)
Yes! I agree we should all read the book and watch the tree versions and we discuss it again :)
5th-Jan-2014 06:09 am (UTC)
LOL!!! I think its curious that while I found Rintoul horrid, you see him as the ideal Darcy, and Laira who is partial to Colin, views him as the iconic Darcy. Me? My first view of Pride and Prejudice was the Keira Knightly flic and her Mr Darcy is the one that I picture when I think of the character. So it seems that we each view 'our' original Darcy's as that image of what he should be. But we also each found Rhys's performance respectable as an older Darcy. Well at least we agree on THAT much!

As for the Kevin conversation all I can say is as a GIGANTIC Kevin fan, that would have been way too distracting for me to appreciate Matth's performance as Darcy, so I'm rather glad it didn't happen to me so that I could enjoy this without being plagued with thoughts of Kevin, or Scotty for that matter...

Edited at 2014-01-05 06:09 am (UTC)
5th-Jan-2014 06:11 pm (UTC)
Yes, you're so right! Darcy is such a mythified character that everyone have their own idea of how he has to be. And I agree that possibly our first Darcy is the one who have impacted us the most and we are looking form him in the other movies. Matthew has solved this problem very well, didn't read much negative reviews of him.

Poor Anna Maxwell I think is the one who received the worst part. Women always get the worst part, but thinking about what you say, I think that is possible that people where excepting to see Kiera-Elizabeth. There are a lot who tell that Elizabeth is so vivid and sparkling and I don't remember for the book that she was like this. She is intelligent and compassive, but I think people are confusing Kiera with Elizabeth. IMO, Anna Maxwell is a better Elizabeth than Kiera.

lol! Yes, better for you not having seen Kevin in DCTP. When I saw Darcy treating badly Elizabeth, I thought well, at least he is like this with all his lovers, is nothing personal against Scotty and I feel relieved. lol! I'm crazy!!

Edited at 2014-01-05 06:13 pm (UTC)
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